Nathan Brooks delves into his book, "The No Quitters Guide to Crushing Real Estate Investing and Building an Extraordinary Life."
Nathan Brooks, a man of many talents and passions, joined us on the podcast this week to discuss how real-estate investing can help you live a more fuller life. We go over what you ultimately want to accomplish through working and making money. Nathan recently became an author and his new book "The No Quitters Guide to Crushing Real Estate Investing and Building an Extraordinary Life", is coming out soon to show you how to build an extraordinary life through crushing the real estate game.
Nathan Brooks is the co-founder and CEO of Bridge Turnkey Investments, a Kansas City-based company renovating and selling more than 100 turnkey properties per year. Having more than a decade of experience in real estate investing, Nathan is a seasoned investor with a large personal portfolio and a growing business portfolio. He loves spending time with his family and kids hunting, fishing, and doing whatever they want to do!
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Life is not all about money, experiences, or the things we own. To have these "things" are nice, but what do you ultimately want to accomplish through working? Recent author Nathan Brooks joins us on the podcast again, where we dive into his new book, "The No Quitters Guide to Crushing Real Estate Investing and Building an Extraordinary Life." We go over why Nathan does what he does, putting his mind to anything, and setting big goals! Listen in as we delve into the important things in life and what that means from a real estate investing standpoint.
I have Nathan Brooks. He is back by popular demand with me. He was also on episode 52. He is back again because you guys wanted him. He is awesome. He has a new book called The No Quitters Guide to Crushing Real Estate Investing and Building An Extraordinary Life. If you don't know Nathan Brooks, he's an extraordinary person. He is passionate. He has a family. He crushes it at real estate. He's an MMA fighter. He started golfing. He did an elk hunt in the middle of where no one goes in Idaho. He does some crazy, extraordinary things. He's an author and blogger for BiggerPockets.
He is an amazing person. He's passionate about what it looks like to live an extraordinary life. That's the question I want to ask you guys. What would it look like for you to live your most extraordinary and fulfilled life? I want you to start reflecting and thinking about that. That's where he starts. He works backward to figure out, can real estate investing help you get to that extraordinary life.
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It is near Zion National Park and the Red Rocks. We rent out a couple of houses. It's going to be amazing. We're looking for a small group of men that want to go deeper with their relationship with God and take off the mask with their relationship with other like-minded guys and business owners. It's going to be amazing. Go check it out at IronDeep.com, and make sure you guys apply for that. I'm going to reach out to you personally. Check that out.
On our YouTube channel, check out the Iron Deep Channel. We got videos coming out each and every week. We're going to have more faces, voices, and people speaking into the message of Iron Deep men living for more than success, identity, purpose, and legacy in their life. Check that out. I want to introduce you guys to my good friend Nathan Brooks.
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I'm back by popular demand. Nathan Brooks is on the show with me. What's going on?
It's good to be back.
I'm excited. If you don't know Nathan Brooks, he was on episode 52. Go check that out. He talked about his incredible life. He is a successful businessman, real estate investor, and entrepreneur. He does some crazy adventures in life like elk hunting and fifteen-day journeys through the mountains. He is an MMA fighter. I don't know what else to say about you. You're taking up golf last time. You are a worship leader. You are an author. The list goes on. What else do you do?
I have played music professionally for a while and golfing. I shot in the 80s at the end of the summer. That's not back for my first full year of playing. I won't say I always shoot in the 80s. That would be a big lie.
I try to break 100. If I break 100, I'm good. I play a couple of times a year with my dad. He's a big golfer. He shoots in the 70s.
The 70s is no joke. I'm normally mid to high 90s.
Thanks for getting back. You have a new book coming out. I know we're going to dig into that. It's the The No Quitters Guide to Crushing Real Estate Investing and Building An Extraordinary Life. That's coming out on January 10th, 2023. I’m excited about that. What's this journey been like? You wrote a new book. I know you're a writer anyways. You blog for BiggerPockets and do some other writing as well, but you got me into writing. You mentioned it on the last show. I was like, “I want to write a book.” You introduced me to some people. I have a writing coach who's been your writing coach. What's the journey been like writing a book? Everyone wants to write a book, but hardly anyone does. What's that been like for you?
Ashley, the coach, is awesome. I'm excited that it was a fit for you. The book-writing thing started a few years ago. A lot of people dream about writing books. I'm sitting at my desk here, and I'm thinking. There are many books that have inspired us to do cool stuff. I have another book over here. A buddy of mine wrote his book and also introduced me to Ashley. It's cool to see the lineage.
Books are important. They're impactful. When you look at what is the most thing of value or the 80/20 of learning, books are at the top. Other than personal relationships, amazing people like you are able to have connections we had through masterminds. When you can go learn from a podcast or audiobook, they're impactful. You can reach many people for such a small amount or go to the library, and you can get it for free.
Over the years, I don't know how many books I read. I think about all the people who inspired me and helped me learn. When I started to have the concepts from my own book, I was like, “If I could help impact one person, I have bigger goals than that, but I want to help.” I want to say, “How can we take in our real estate or business industry and bring something that is a little more realistically what people want to create and not what people talk about creating?” That's why I was motivated to write it.
Most of the best things I've learned are through books. There are a few that I go to. I read them every single year. It's been an awesome journey for me. Thank you for advising me. If you guys are interested in writing, talk to myself and Nathan. I would recommend getting someone from a team around you. Ashley has helped us write the book. Building that team is important, like any type of organization or business.
Nathan, you wrote No Quitter's Guide to Crushing Real Estate Investing and Building an Extraordinary Life. If you could say one thing about this book, maybe a pitch or inspiration of why should someone get this, what is different and unique about this book, rather than some of the other real estate investing books?
I'll take two quick different approaches to that. Brennan Turner, who people may or may not know, used to be the BiggerPockets Podcasts host or one of them. He has 8 of the top 10 real estate books on the charts. He's an absolute monster. He wrote the foreword to my book. He said, “You could get a dozen real estate books, or you could go buy mine.” The distillation of information of not just the Real Estate 101 concept, but in my book, it was not like, “Let's start from where you are. Let's understand where you are. Where do you want to go? What are some steps to get to that place and create a vision for what you want your life to look like?”
Here are some real estate 101 to paint a picture of what that could look like. Let's do some vision-setting on that type of business. What is it? How does it operate? How big is it? How much money does it need to make? Building an extraordinary life piece, which many people miss, including myself. Let's do more deals. Make more money. We forget.
This whole thing was about something we wanted. The realization is money is a wonderful tool, but it's a tool. We don't work for money. We want the money to be able to use as a tool to do cool stuff like travel the world, go to elk hunt in the middle of nowhere, have philanthropy opportunities to make an impact in the world, take your family on vacation, and live in a cool spot. It's easy to get to lose track of that.
You take the book and start with the extraordinary life first. The first part of it is to start with that vision and dig into the extraordinary life. How much time do you spend thinking about your extraordinary life? Sometimes, we do that one time. You're right. We get in the trap and wheel. We forget about it. We wake up one day like, “I wanted something different. What did I want again?” You forget.
I wrote a book about this, and I still forget. Let's be clear. I'm not perfect by any means. I've been hot and cold on journaling. For many years, I've been an avid journaler. There are a couple of different things I do personally. I'm in my home office right here. There's a giant 4x8 whiteboard. It has all the goals and ideas for the year. It exists there.
I fly frequently. I keep a bunch of different notes between Evernote and Apple’s Notes program. I will take notes, including my family. We started on January 1, 2022. We took notes on a bunch of different stuff as a family, like, what do we want to do? Where do we want to go? What experiences do we want to have? We went through my wife and my two kiddos.
We wrote those things down. We said, “We might not be able to do all of these things, but let's prioritize what might be most interesting that we want to do. Let's start knocking stuff off the list.” Between that and the notes I have for myself, whether it's business-related, motivation-related of workouts, in the gym, training, or playing golf. What are all those things? You can constantly bring that back and have it as a reminder or make an adjustment. It's like, “This is not fitting. I know I wrote it down and made it a goal.” It's okay. You can change the goal. If it's not fitting, let's not work at it. Let's figure out why it doesn't fit and make adjustments.
How old are your kids again?
My daughter turned 9 this 2022 and my son is 12.
What is that like? As business owners, we're setting goals all the time. You got your whiteboard out. You write down Nathan Brooks’ goals. I want to travel the world and do an elk hunt. I want to do MMA fighting in a ring and play golf. What are some things that come out of your kids' mouths, the 12 and 9 year old? You sit down, and you're like, “What do you guys want?” What do they say?
Places we've traveled as a family, Hawaii, and Florida. My son and I love going fishing together. Fishing is on there. We had some new destinations, Costa Rica or somewhere in Europe. We are taking a trip to Spain. The New Year will be in New York and headed to Spain for a week. One of those things was we were on a trip, and we could have the same conversation now.
Not only do we have an extraordinary experience, but we can talk about what our future plans are. We have daddy-daughter dates. She loves to go for car rides in our fun car and hang out time. At least you know that this came out of their mouth. You know that's what they're thinking about. We can honor that and find ways to have more time together.
You put a post on social media. It might have been Facebook, but you talked about money as a tool number one, but you also talked about the experiences. Everything you mentioned has always been some experience, whether you're experiencing it or your family. A lot of it's travel, but even some of the cool things.
You like to experience things. That's what living that extraordinary life is, how you experience life, and what you want and desire. I put that out there, but when you started thinking about it, you started thinking about experiences. I haven't heard you say a lot of like, “Money gets you to these things.” I haven't heard you say some of these other things like, “I want some of the material things.” You keep talking about experiences.
I can't say that I didn't go and eventually buy a good size house and have some property. That's where I live. I'm staring at the back 40 of my house. I own a Porsche 911. I did buy a fancy car, but it was something I wanted since I was a teenager. I always wanted that same car, and I love it. I love driving it and taking my kids for rides in it. It brings me joy. Do I think it's cool if people like my car? Yes, I do. It's a cool car. Over the years, I've bought a couple of nice watches. Are you making money for the sake of making money? Some people like that. They are money motivated.
The more I thought about it and spent time on what brought me joy in life, it wasn't making money. I enjoy building a business, having cool people to interact with, having my team, building Airbnb houses, and creating cool destinations and experiences. Tim Ferriss talks about that in The 4-Hour Workweek book. What does it cost me to build this life that I want? For most people, when you look at that, it's less money than you think.
A lot of the experiences you talk about don't cost a lot of money. Your son wants to go fishing. Your daughter wants to take a ride in a cool car. It doesn't cost you anything. It is just time.
It is the time you put fuel in the car. You had to buy it, but it doesn't mean you don't need to buy a 911 to take your kid for a park date, and they'll love you as much. One of the hard parts for me is to slow down enough to be in tune with what's being asked. If you're a disciplined person, and you are setting goals and working on that stuff for yourself, it's easy to be focused and work on those things for your family.
It's another thing to hear your kids say, “Dad, will you throw the baseball with me? Will you come to build Legos with me?” Slow my manic mind down enough to settle down and say, “Yes.” I don't need to make five more calls or pretend I'm busy and scrolling through social media or whatever nonsense is going on and recommit to saying, “What is most important?”
How much time do you spend in that reflective mode? Do you have some discipline where you are in reflective mode about recalibrating and reprioritizing? Is that a weekly thing, a monthly thing, or a quarterly thing? Do you ever go away on your own and recalibrate? You're a reflective person. Sometimes, this isn't a rhythm. It's like, on the dime, you are like, “My kid wants to play Legos. Let me reflect on that. What's most important?”
I would use the line when I'm at my best because there are moments when I'm not at my best, or I'm tired. I don't do a good job of that. It's an interesting question because I don't know if I could say that I have had a specific time all the time set out, but I'm an avid cigar smoker. I often will find myself a couple of times a week with an hour of thinking time by myself in the woods, quiet in nature. In the last four days, I've been in the woods hunting. I've spent 30 hours in the quiet. By nature of being in experience, it's almost inevitable to have those thoughts.
We mentioned elk hunt. I was in Idaho. They call it Frank Church - River of No Return Wilderness. It's 2.3 million acres of the most pristine, amazing wilderness. We drive into the middle of nowhere, get on a bush plane, and fly in an hour at 110 miles an hour at 5,600 feet in between mountaintops into the middle of nowhere. We bank at 40 degrees or 35 degrees.
The plane is sideways. You're looking straight down at the ground to make sure there are no elks or horses on the runway. You fly in onto this dirt runway and land. There are 5 horses and 5 mules. For the next seven days, everything we had with us was a bit of food, clothes, and a rifle. It was on those animals.
I was with a buddy of mine. He runs a bigger business than me. He and I were back and forth, talking in the evening as we were sitting and pondering each other's businesses and what was going on. It was interesting at one point. He said, “I was thinking, for several years, I had to work all this time to create this monetary result, which would allow me to effectively retire and put it into syndications.”
He was like, “I realized I could have the same result now if I changed this thing.” If we don't spend time thinking about the actual problem we're trying to solve, in reality, a lot of times, the answer to that problem is right in front of us, but we don't take the time to settle into it and reflect on what we want. How do we solve it?
Sometimes the answers come in the most unsuspected places. There's something about what you talked about. It's doing that experience with this elk hunt. For a lot of men, we want to go through these unique experiences that few men have been. That's what probably enticed you. I want to walk where few people have walked. To go through that experience is awesome. My soul is to go to these places. It is the same thing with business.
You go through building out this extraordinary life and what you want. Do you dial it down to real estate? Real estate has given you the platform to do some of these things and have these options. Do you break it down into that? What is it like? Is it for beginner real estate investors? Is it for more seasoned or anyone? Talk to us about this. You built this extraordinary life, and the book goes into it. How is it related to real estate?
I'm looking at the book right here. This is the final edit copy before it went to the publisher. It still has all the marks. Chapter one is, what's the problem if I could change my life? Almost all the time when I have these conversations, people are like, “I hate my job. I wish I was doing this thing.” Where are we starting? We're starting from, “If only I could change my life.” You can change your life. What do you do about it?
I spent a whole chapter talking about real estate done wrong like broken mindset, broken thoughts, making money the entire focus, and missing a vision. As far as what it's made for, I believe it's either. Coming from a writer's perspective, you want to have a niche but also want to have as wide of an opportunity as possible. Somebody new could get a vision for what business they wanted to create. Sometimes people have a hard time saying, “Brett, If I am successful, what do I do? I can't even conceptualize what that looks like,” which is hard for me because that's naturally where my brain goes, but not everybody does that.
There's Real Estate 101. It talks you through that. There's a vision setting too. Even if you have a business and something is already going well, what are the things you could take from that business, whether it's allocating money, time, or resources to creating that extraordinary life in your own space or business? It's applicable here.
It's crazy how real estate, freedom, and options it brings. I have a fifteen-year-old daughter. We've been talking about what she wants to do. I have some other friends. We talk about what their vision is for their life and what they want to do. I have my sons coming up, and they're younger now. How do I teach them about some of these different things?
My mindset sometimes gets shrunk. We deal with that. It all starts with a mindset. We flip and wholesale some houses. We make some money on that. My mindset is, “How do I think a little bit bigger than that?” You think big too. Could I do the same thing with an apartment building or commercial land? Instead of making $10,000 or $20,000 on a deal, could I make $100,000 or $1 million?” It's all the same process, but this is what it does. You start thinking big. You can have all this freedom. You go into that a little bit. Does the book have a lot of the strategy nuts and bolts of real estate? You want to create this extraordinary life and vision for it. It has some avenues with real estate.
I don't know if it's helpful to talk through the chapter. Chapter 1 is about The Problem If I Could Change My Life. Chapter 2, Are You Doing Something That You Love? Let's make sure we don't trade one thing for another thing you don't like. Chapter 3, Real Estate Done Wrong. What are the things that detract from what's trying to happen? There are people out there doing this all the time, which drives me insane. This is not a guru book and a top-of-lead-funnel book. I wanted it to be impactful and something that would be a tool to help.
Chapter 4, Quitters Never Prosper. Don't quit. That was the whole concept of No Quitters Guide. Everybody has problems, trouble, and issues. I'm no different. I'm sure Brett is no different. I won't speak for you. Chapter 5, Real Estate Done Right. What are ways that it's worked for people? There are some examples of friends of mine in my own business. Chapter 6, The Vision. Let's start to lay out the actual vision of how we do it. This is what I want it to look like.
I go into Chapter 7, Real Estate 101. These are types of businesses. Chapter 8 is about The Secret Weapons Of The No Quitter, The Why, The Imperfect Action, And Being A Go-Giver. From the beginning, I pushed that it's not just about you or not about me. Number 9, No Quitter Diagnostics. Defining what personal achievement is, financial success, being prepared to succeed, and what's under the financial hood. You are talking to people about what they want, but let's get a grasp of where we are and where we're going. Creating the actual plan and executing the plan. The no-quitter path is success in the execution. What's the day-to-day look like of being successful?
Chapter 13, Extraordinary Life, Living Into Generosity, Doing Amazing Things, And Challenging Yourself. It's fun to have thirteen chapters because my wife, two kids, and I are born on the 13th. The 10th is the release, but I'm having a party in KC, which is getting the nuts and bolts together, but it's also on Friday, the 13th of January.
I wanted to talk about the title of The No Quitters Guide. Talk about that in your own life. When I read that, there has to be some meaning behind that for you. Are there more points of your journey that you had to hang onto that? You didn't believe it at the time. You're like, “I got to hang on to that meaning and phrase.”
It happens all the time. One of my favorite quotes is from the Man in the Arena. It was like, “It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.”
The No Quitter thing is a reminder. That quote was on the back of my fight shirt for my fight. There are a lot of cliché things. Clichés are clichés for a reason. A lot of them are true in some essence, but don't quit. How bad do you want it? How badly do you want to create that life? How badly do you want to take your family on vacation? How bad do you not want to work on that job anymore, want to do cool stuff with your kids, or go on the side of mountains or whatever those things are for you? How bad do you want it? How do we support each other?
If you're having a tough day, or I'm having a tough day, “Nathan, what's going on? You got this. Keep after it. Don't stop. Don't quit.” If this is something you want, how badly do you want it? That's the other reason in the book that I wanted to go through the vision setting. What does it look and feel like when we put our brain in a state of visualization of what we could experience? Our brain doesn't know the difference between the story we're telling and the experience. All we know is we've created this visualization and our mind and what we're doing. If you're constantly thinking about negative stuff and what's not working, what do you think is going to happen?
I would much rather risk and fail than not try. That's where I come in there. I do some things I could bomb at, fail at, get embarrassed, and be humiliated, but I'm like, “I rather risk it, fail, and fall flat to my face than not try. You never know.” That's where I'm at.
I fail at stuff all the time. In this real estate market, it's not particularly fun. There are a lot of challenges in the market. There's less demand in some respects and more opportunity in others. What did you build it for? In all reality, I believe markets like this make us come back to that question. All of a sudden, we're saying, “Why is my overhead in my company high? What are the things I like doing? What is it that our company's doing and that I'm responsible for? Am I doing a good job as a CEO or leading my team by having a clear vision? Why did I get into this business in the first place? I've personally been having a lot of those questions, thoughts, and conversations. It's a healthy, wonderful thing, even in the midst of being uncomfortable.
A word that came back to me was a lot of people, especially seasoned real estate investors, are having fear about what's happening in the market. They're losing some money. They're in that survival mode that I've seen. There are words that came back to me. I was like, “What an opportunity.” I feel like the Lord was telling me like, “Start preparing for the opportunity before you.”
I have already made the decision that something wonderful was going to happen. We don't even know what it is. Where you put your focus is where you get your result no matter what. There's no other way to create it because whatever you focus on is what your mind consciously and subconsciously is going to spend its time solving. We transitioned out of doing lots of renovations. We were doing 100 to 150 renovations a year. When I look back at it, I wish I wouldn’t sell half of those houses and keep half of them. I don't like flipping that many. If I don't want to do that, no problem. I don't need a business built for that.
Speaking of big deals, we did a partnership deal. It was my first seven-figure deal. I'd never been in a deal like that, and it went well. There are some pieces of it that need to close, but the majority of it has. It's one of those things where it's like, “That was a lot easier than I anticipated.” Coming back to what do I want to do? What do I want to have my experience? When I got into real estate, it was to buy and hold. It was to build a portfolio. It was to create wealth through that. I have spent the last several months working on that.
We all have that. It's crazy how we get into this real estate game. I've been doing that too. I've been reflecting on what I want. Like a lot of single-family rentals, I started buying some to save on taxes. Long story short, I wake up one day, and I'm like, “I got a lot of rentals, and they're a headache.” Whether they're good or bad, I'm like, “What do I want? Do I want that in my life or a headache? Do I want to do something else?” We're always pivoting and reflecting on that.
Sometimes we ask these questions. We're dealing with some stuff with our kids. My one son has been off the rails with some ADHD and getting behind in school. Some of our other family stuff has been a little wonky. I asked her, “What's one thing that we could do and focus on right now that would make everything else a little bit easier and simpler in our life?” That's a question I love to ask. Maybe it's not even a real estate thing, but what's one thing you can do or focus on that could make everything else a little bit easier? Maybe it's your health. I love reflecting on things like that.
Nathan, thank you so much. I want to give you one last question. Let's say someone goes down this road and creates this vision of their extraordinary life. They start to build this real estate empire like you. What is one thing they're going to face? You've been in this for years now. Even if you make it to this top of the mountain in the business world, what's something they're going to face when they're there?
There are a couple of things that show up for me. 1) Dealing with yourself and the opportunity as you scale and grow. You need to grow and learn more about yourself and what it is to be a leader. As you have people on your team and employees, that's a huge responsibility. 2) As you get bigger, you get more known, or your business is more successful, you have more opportunities. Am I preaching to the choir on this? It is the ability to say no. Saying no is a wonderful thing. It's either a yes or a no. It needs to be one or the other. I didn't make that up either. It's true. If it is a yes, what are the other things that are a no?
I love that because it also depends a lot on your season. When I first started, I was single. I could do a lot of stuff, but now, I have a wife and four kids. Everything is calling for my attention. I got a few businesses and employees. You got to be particular.
I would say the other thing that showed up for me later. I'm 41 this 2022. When I think of my twenties, I was playing music professionally. I was out until 2:00 in the morning. I’m single and living the life. It was a blast. Coming back to that, what do you want? What does that look like? It's easy for that to get off the rails. The last thing is, if you're not constantly challenging yourself with something, you're not growing. It's easy to get comfortable, whether playing golf or you don't have to get in a cage fight, but you are training in jiu-jitsu or playing tennis. Who cares? Do something. Get into a chess club.
It doesn't matter but find ways that constantly challenge yourself to get better because you can get comfortable and get in a place where you have that top-of-the-mountain feeling, but that doesn't necessarily always last. You need to practice being uncomfortable, having challenges, and finding ways through adversity to persevere and solve problems.
Thank you so much for being on the show, Nathan. This book comes out on January 10th, 2023. They can get it, and the best place is on Amazon.
They can get it anywhere books are sold. I am with a publisher. You can google it, Barnes & Noble, Books-A-Million, Amazon, or anywhere books are sold. It's a blessing to have that rolling. I'm last minute solving this problem, NoQuittersGuide.com. We'll have some more stuff on there. I'm excited because we're doing a little mini-course. That'll be very inexpensive. You can work through all the steps of this. I want to help. How do we create these things we're talking about? We're working on that. It will be cool.
Make sure you check out on January 10th, 2023, No Quitters Guide to Crushing Real Estate Investing and Building an Extraordinary Life with Nathan Brooks. It's been a blast. Thank you so much. God bless you.
I appreciate you having me on here and appreciate the people. I look forward to hearing what you think. You can pre-order it. You don't have to wait. You can go on wherever you buy them. Pre-order them, and they'll be there. I appreciate the conversation.
It sounds good, Nathan. Make sure you check that out. Go pre-order it. We'll see you guys later. Thank you so much for checking out the Iron Deep Channel. Leave us a comment, and let's mingle in the comment section. Here at Iron Deep, we strive to create content for middle-aged businessmen that involves identity, purpose, and legacy, all with a foundation rooted in Christ. Check out our website at IronDeep.com to apply to be a part of the Iron Deep Brotherhood community. Thank you, and I'll see you next time.
