Tommy Newberry and Brett Snodgrass discuss the dangers of self help culture and how you can effectively navigate good and bad practices for self improvement.
Tommy Newberry, author of the 4:8 Principle, joins us on the podcast this week to discuss the dangers of self help culture. The idea of self improvement and bettering yourself have been around since we were created. Just recently though, books, podcasts, and seminars started to become popular around the notion of "Self Help". Tommy Newberry and I discuss in today's podcast the dangers of the culture around self help and how you can effectively navigate good and bad practices when it comes to improving yourself.
Tommy Newberry is The New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestselling author of The 4:8 Principle. He is the founder and head coach of AchievingOPTIMAL, an organization focused on helping Christian entrepreneurs and their families maximize their full potential. He lives in Atlanta, Georgia with his wife, Kristin. They have three boys, two out of college, one married and the youngest still in high school.
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The idea of self improvement and bettering yourself have been around since we were created. Just recently though, books, podcasts, and seminars started to become popular around the notion of "Self Help". Tommy Newberry and I discuss in today's podcast the dangers of the culture around self help and how you can effectively navigate good and bad practices when it comes to improving yourself.
I have Tommy Newberry in the show with me. Tommy is the Founder of The 1% Club. He started that company in 1991 where they worked with Christian business owners on how to achieve more in their financial world, also in their family, faith, and health. He’s also the Head Coach at Achieving Optimal. He loves to help entrepreneurs and their families maximize their God-given potential. He’s the author of The 4:8 Principle: The Secret to a Joy-Filled Life.
On this show, we talk about the mind. Everything starts from the mind. If you have a rotten life, relationship, or business, a lot of it can be dialed back into what you are thinking about. What do you fill in your mind with? How can you change your mind to think more positively, about the next year or ten years of your life, and to plan that out? Everything that we do is planned. If we’re aware, plan, and execute, that’s where the fulfilled life comes in.
That’s Tommy Newberry. Before I introduce him, I want you guys to go over to IronDeep.com. We got back from the Men’s Awakening Retreat in the Rocky Mountains. We’re going to be putting on a couple more in 2023, so make sure you guys check it out on our website. We have videos and pictures from this Men’s Awakening on IronDeep.com.
We’re looking for other feedback and ideas on how we can build the Iron Deep community of men. Another option that we’re thinking about is building out a soul mate retreat where the men can bring their spouses. We work on their soul and also with their mate. That’s another idea that we have. We’re brainstorming. Any feedback that you guys have would be appreciated. I want to introduce you to the guest on this episode, Tommy Newberry.
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I have the guest of this episode, Mr. Tommy Newberry out of Atlanta, Georgia. What’s going on, Tommy?
How are you doing? Thanks for having me.
I’m excited, number one, because I love talking with you. You’re an author and a coach. My dad was a high school coach, but you had been coaching people’s lives for many years. You’re the pioneer of life coaches since 1991.
There weren’t many people doing it. My passion for doing it grew out of sports also. It was not football. I played football, but I was obsessed to a fault with baseball. When my baseball career ended, it was going to be either I’m going to go coach baseball or figure out some other way to coach people. When I was playing baseball, I got into sports psychology, which is ridiculous, in 8th grade and 9th grade. I loved the ideas, strategies, and insights on getting control of your thought life as it relates to performing better in sports. I thought that could translate into the business world.
There was nobody working with people one-on-one in the area of self-development back in 1991. There was nobody working in all areas of life. They would give lip service and be balanced at the end of their message but they weren’t addressing the faith, marriage, fitness, and other holistic elements that make up a full life.
There was nobody that was working with what I’ll metaphorically say are the bronze and silver medal winners. Everything was aimed at a level beneath there, those that were struggling and wanted to be up-and-comers. That’s what I targeted. I target people who had already achieved success that didn’t need a coach, number one. Number two, they wanted help in all areas of life. Number three, I was going to stick with them indefinitely.
A handful of my original clients are still with me. In general, my clients are with me for 10 or 15 years. That was the other element versus a motivational speaker coming into town, speaking to 500 people and then he’s in the next town the next day. That was the model back then. We decided to build long-term relationships with our clients. We figured if we help them reach their goals, they will stick with us. That’s been the way it’s gone by and large.
It’s amazing. I’ve had some life coaches on my show before. A lot of them are newer within the last few years versus having someone be in the industry for 30-plus years. Some of my heroes are Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy, which we mentioned before the show, and Tony Robbins. He’s still rocking and rolling. I love what you said.
The first media I ever got was a good fortune blessing. Zig Ziglar was in town. That’s what made me think of it. They used to do these successful events at a local basketball arena, like a big arena. Back then, it was the Omni in Atlanta, but it would be where the NBA team plays. They’d fill it up and sell it for something ridiculous, like $19 a person or something.
They did a big feature on him and they were looking for a local version. I ended up being the one that they highlighted for the local version. They must have found me in the yellow pages. There was no email address for the first 5, 6, and 7 years of my business. I remember easily faxing clients to remind them of their goals. It was 30 days since the workshop like, “Think about your goals,” and that kind of thing. It has come a long way.
You said you have clients that have been with you for 10 to 15-plus years. I love that. Most of the time, motivational speakers come in and they inspire you, but then, they don’t stick with you. I got into your book, The 4:8 Principle: The Secret to a Joy-Filled Life. Let’s talk about that really quickly. I was like, “What does that mean? There is the 80/20 principle. What is the 4:8?” Can you talk to me about that a little bit?
The 4:8 stands for a passage in scripture in the New Testament, the apostle Paul and Philippians. In a chapter of a book of the Bible that is known as the Joy Book Philippians, Paul is chained up. He’s under guard. He’s in prison. He utters these words, which most people will recognize. He says, “Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is lovely, pure, true, gracious, and just, if there’s any excellence and if there’s anything worthy of praise, think on these things.”
In different translations, it’s dwell on these things or meditate on these things. In the amplified version, it’s my favorite. It says, “Fix your mind on these things.” Paul knew something about human nature and psychology. He was well ahead of his time. He knew we were not automatically positive, but he also knew we were not hopelessly negative. Therefore, our thinking is the common denominator. What are we to think about? Those are the good things. In marriage, for example, it is going to be a mixture of good and bad. Our boss, parents, clients, community, and country are all going to be a mixture of good and bad.
Paul was saying, “Where should you put your mental energy?” It doesn’t mean you don’t solve problems or deal with negativity. It’s not saying you bury your head in the sand. It’s saying, “What do you marinate in? What do you soak yourself in? What do you think about the vast majority of the time?” It’s very clear. It’s the things that are noble, pure, of good rapport, worthy of praise, excellent, and so forth.
My grandmother introduced me to that verse long before I understood the meaning of it. I was probably 13 or 14. She gave it to me on a bookmark. I stuck it in my Bible and ignored it for a while. I took that Bible with me to college. When I started my coaching practice, about two and a half years after getting out of college, it started to resonate with me. The more clients I worked with, the more I saw how trouble in their life was being caused by violating what I name the 4:8 principle based on Philippians 4:8.
We feel what we dwell upon. Most people think their feelings reveal the quality of their life, but their feelings or emotions reveal the quality of their thinking. There is a subtle distinction. Think about a couple that is upset. If they’re upset, they think that means something is wrong with their spouse or their marriage. Most of the time, it means something is wrong with their thinking. It is the same thing about other relationships, parenting, and life in general.
More often than not, when we feel rotten, it’s because our thinking is rotten, not because our life is rotten. We live in a culture where we have to combat the constant bombardment with, “Follow your feelings. What do you feel like doing?” It’s a common refrain, “I didn’t feel like it.” If you worship your feelings, you get the rewards of that, which is a rollercoaster. Sometimes, the feelings point you in the right direction, and sometimes, the feelings, more often than not, point you in the opposite direction but it feels right.
I have one last thing on there. Most people can relate to an experience that felt right but ended up being wrong. Also, there is the reverse of that where it felt wrong and they passed on it, but it ended up it would’ve been the right thing to go forward with because they didn’t feel like it. That can be on a micro level like working out or a kind gesture that they wish they had done. It could be something significant like a relationship, a career opportunity, or starting their own business.
Your book talks a lot about what you’re describing. It talks about your mental state and the mind. It’s biblical so it talks about renewing your mind. I know that one of the things that you really dive into is to focus. You have this SuperFOCUS program that you’ve been focused on. You said that there are hidden costs to scattered thinking. What do you mean by that, and how do people get out of that trap?
It’s in the same realm. If you go back to Philippians 4:8, one of the things that we have to acknowledge that Paul is telling us to focus on is to focus on excellence. When you’re focused on excellence, you’re going to produce excellent results. You’re going to notice things you need to do to be better. It also says, “Focus on the truth.” It doesn’t say, “Invent the truth or create the truth.” It says, “Focus on what is true.” It’s pushing us toward rock-solid principles.
When you go back to excellence in your work life, it’s easy to get scattered, meaning you spread yourself too thin. Let’s say you’re born with A potential, but then you spread yourself too thin. You take on too many projects simultaneously and put too many things on your plate. You water down your ability to concentrate and put out the best effort and results. All of a sudden, you look like a B performer, but you were born an A performer. It works, fortunately, which all principals do, in reverse.
If you were born a B talent, you can promote yourself through the principle of focus as well. I’ll talk about baseball mainly. I was probably born with a B talent or a B plus. I’m not sure, but somewhere in there. Through my work ethic and my focus, I elevated myself to at least an A minus. I’ve probably done the same thing in my career. It’s a focus. Anytime that I’ve gotten into trouble or I’ve hit a plateau, I usually look around and go, “Doggone it.” I’m pursuing seven significant projects simultaneously. I want to make that kind of difference, but it waters me down not just in a given week or month, but on a daily basis. If you’ve got more than a small handful of priorities on your daily list, you’re scattered.
Some people, when I start working with them, they’ve got 13 or 14 things on their to-do list for the day. That’s not including things that their spouse may ask them to do, showing up at football practice, or doing things with the kids. Those are all business items. The hidden cost is you get scattered. When you get scattered, you get watered down. When you get watered down, you don’t bring your A-game to the marketplace.
That brings me to the next point. I have some projects that I’ve started. I was feeling worn down because I was overwhelmed. You talk about this overwhelming paralysis by analysis. I use those terms all the time. I’m in the real estate world. We use, “People don’t get started because they’re constantly analyzing the deals or themselves and they get paralyzed.”
I’m doing some new things. I feel like I’m in that boat, too. Sometimes, I feel overwhelmed. You talk about in your book that we have this information overwhelm and we get paralyzed by analysis. Can you dive into this information overwhelm? We all know that there’s so much out there. We can spend our entire lives digging through it all. How do you get someone to weed through that to get them to the spot? If they have thirteen projects going on, what are some steps that you do?
The first thing is to figure out what the longer-term goal is or the vision. We have a tool. We call it the Master Vision. It helps a client describe and define what they want their life to look like a decade from now. As you can imagine, that’s hard. It’s supposed to be hard. If I’m your track coach, I’m not going to help you at all if I have you run up three steps and come down again. It’s the demanding workouts so you feel exhausted after. Everything about this needs to be answered in light of where you want to be down the road. If you’re clear on the long-term, and the long-term probably needs to be at least a decade, then it tends to reveal or expose what you should be doing in the short-term.
Sometimes, you have too many projects or action steps in a given day. They all look like they’re equally important but they’re not. Determining which one is more important than the other requires a lot of mental energy. Some people will either procrastinate. They’ll hit some resistance where it’s this invisible force that gives you all these rationalizations on why you should do something else first. It is like, “You should organize the office. You should click the database, charge your phone, and return emails.”
You delete your junk calls. That’s what I do. I’m like, “Let me go delete 50 emails.”
Whenever you have that impulse to do it, your unconscious is saying, “You’re avoiding.” Whenever I face resistance, I know that I’m on the verge of a breakthrough, but the resistance is telling me to go in the other direction. The resistance, I don’t believe, is a God thing. The resistance is pushing us away from what’s possible for us.
I like to use the phrase needle moving. If you spend whatever you have to invest upfront to figure out what are the few activities that move the needle, that is time well spent because it will guide you as to what to say yes to when it comes to taking action. Sometimes, when we’re trying to figure out, “What is the best resource here? Should I follow this goal-setting plan or this strategic plan? Should I follow this plan for communicating with my spouse?”
Part of this is good, but people are like a sponge. They don’t ever follow a process long enough to get the fruit because they get attracted to the next shiny object or the next email that comes in with an enticing offer to try something and do our system. They tell you why all the other people are wrong. The fact is there are a lot of great ideas and methods that work, but none of them work unless you work.
If you dabble with something for two weeks and then switch to something else, either one of those probably could have made a positive difference for you. Since you stopped and started, it is like planting a garden or something and then digging up and having to restart so you’re losing time. We don’t have time to lose.
We have this information overwhelm and execution problem. We like shiny objects. It’s like, “This sounds good. This is going to get my dopamine up a little bit. Let me reach out and do that one.” I love what you’ve done because you’ve done the same business for many years, which is awesome. You don’t hear a lot about that. Is that your personality? You’re very steady. You teach people to get focused and run the long-term race. You’re like, “Let’s finish well.”
I didn’t have a lot of life before starting this business, which is weird. I was coaching couples before I was married not on how to have a great marriage but how to set goals as a couple. I was steady from 7 to age almost 21 on baseball so maybe there is something to it. We’ve reinvented the coaching practice 5, 6, or 7 times. Earl Nightingale used to say there are goal people and there are river people. It appears at least from the outside that I’m more of a river person. I got in and then I’m flowing down the river to an end point. There are goal people who have a whole bunch of different and interesting goals that have nothing to do with each other. One is not better than the other. They’re different.
I’ve got a lot of clients that are goal people. Maybe I’m a river person. I’m 55. I’ll say that in the last couple of years, I’ve tried to insert more random goals to experience more of life. I didn’t grow up doing outdoorsy stuff. When I had kids and they got old enough to do cool things outside, I started them off doing it. We were experiencing it together for the first time. What started as a silly little hike of half a mile up and half a mile down ended up being climbing Mount Rainier and Mount Shasta. Years later, one step at a time, those things expanded.
Steady is good, but there’s nothing wrong with saying, “I’ve done this for long enough. What do I do next?” You have to come back to that vision. Where do you want to be a decade from now? If you go to bed tonight, life is pretty darn good. There are probably a few million people that are better off than all of us, but we’re better off than 5 or 6 billion. We all ought to go to bed feeling pretty terrific. Imagine that overnight, our life transforms into the best life possible. What would that look like?
I ask a variation of that question often because it gets the individual out of the way. They don’t have to think, “How am I going to make that life happen a decade from now?” You’ll be married a decade from now. How old will your kids be? What’s going on in your financial life? How will your fitness be at that point and your health? Where will you be geographically located? What kind of margin will you have in your life? If you design it now, you can make sure that every step moves you in that direction. Most people get hung up and start to write something cool that inspires them and they’ll think, “I don’t know how to do it.” They won’t finish the thought or they’ll cross it off.
I use that kind of dream, “It happens overnight. Exercise to get the person out of the way.” Don’t think about how you do it. There’ll be a time for that. First, figure out what. That stops well-intentioned people more than anything else with a lack of clarity about who they want to become and what they want to achieve.
I love that thought process. I love thinking and dreaming. That’s right down my lane there. You are talking a lot about self-improvement. When you’re talking about life, you want to improve these areas of your life, but you also say that there are dangers of self-help. Back in ‘91, there might not have been a lot of self-help books, CDs, and tapes, but this time, it’s everywhere. There can be a danger of getting addicted to self-help. Can you talk to us about what are the dangers? Everyone wants help and improvements, but what are the dangers?
There are two big ones that I see. One is taking advice or working with somebody, or following somebody that you don’t know enough about to be able to assess their credibility or where they’re coming from, for example, on the spiritual side. We can learn something from everybody. We can learn from the worst example and the best example. You can always learn cool things from a wide variety of people. It’s almost like what I was talking about before about the information overload. If you don’t settle on a particular process to follow in running your life or business, then you could be constantly shifting gears and not getting traction.
There are a lot of business systems and goal-setting systems to follow. There are a lot of strategic planning systems. If you keep switching, you’re not going to get the rewards of any one of them and then you’re going to wind up right where you got started. A lot of people have, and I know this for a fact, 100 books on personal growth. 2 or 3 of them, they’ve read and the rest of them are a decoration or they’ve read a chapter and then they got introduced to another book.
That is the same thing with Audible. For Audible, it’d be interesting if they would provide the stats for how many books are 1/2 listened to or 1/3 listened to, or you download it out of enthusiasm and you never get around to it. Ultimately, the danger is that you’ll waste time. When you waste time, you’re wasting your life. The bigger danger is that you might get enraptured with somebody that’s going to lead you down the wrong path unless you have examined their track record and you want to have a life or a business as they have.
Thank you so much for sharing. That is so good. You talk a lot about joy in your books. This renewing of your mind is where it starts to have joy in your life. How do you continuously have joy day in and day out, especially in this type of culture and what we’ve seen in the last couple of years, whether it’s the news, the politics, the hate people are throwing around, the misery and mental health of our world, or the pandemic?
Current affairs are a mess. Right off the bat, you have to recognize that. Joy, I distinguish it from happiness. All of us want both, but joy is steady happiness or proactive happiness. If I have a good time with my wife tonight, have a fun experience this weekend in a football game, have a great trip, or a good meal, those things are all going to make me happy. Joy is different. Joy is about how you process what’s going on around you and where your focal point is. In other words, are you focusing on what’s lovely, pure, true, gracious, and just as it lays out in Philippians 4:8 or are you focused on what’s missing, deficient, and defective?
There’s always going to be a mixed bag. It’s easy for nice people or well-meaning people to drift. That’s usually how it happens. They drift gradually out of shape. Gradually, their marriage is a mess or they’re in a financial hole, and then suddenly, it’s a big problem. It’s gradually and then suddenly. That’s a line from Hemmingway, I believe. It’s a powerful line. It explains why we don’t address problems. If we have a cheeseburger and fries tonight, we’re not going to be 5 pounds or 10 pounds overweight tomorrow. We’re going to be a little bit over. Over time, people look at clothes in their closet and go, “How did I ever fit into these clothes?” When they lose weight again, they’ll go back and look at the big clothes and go, “That’s so embarrassing that I got that big.”
When it comes to joy, joy is a mental line in the sand that you have to draw. If you can’t discipline your thinking to focus on your blessings and the goodness around you, even in adversity, then you’re not going to have joy. I like to joke, and I mean this in a nice way, that we’re either coming out of some adversity, in the middle of adversity, or about to head into adversity. If you cannot learn how to stay joyful in the midst of adversity, you’re not going to have joy in life.
How do we practice joy? We have to insulate ourselves from that cultural noise. That’s the repeated messaging from society, particularly in the news, but news and social media often from people who don’t share our values. The most tactical way to do this is to get up in the morning and plan the first 15 to 90 minutes to where you are completely getting your mindset focused on the right things, the things you’re grateful for, the things you’d hate to wake up tomorrow without, the people you love, the exciting things you’re looking forward to, the contribution you want to make, the high priorities in your work life, how you’re going to love on your spouse despite the fact that he or she didn’t reciprocate last time, and so on.
You get your mind right, you get your body right, and you get your spirit right with devotion, reading the Bible, prayer, and praise. You do those things religiously every single morning. It’s spiritual and directional, which is focus and mental. It’s physical, doing something physical, even if it’s not your full workout for the day. You do that, then you fast forward to the evening and bookend. You wake up proactively and decide what your first thought of the day is. It could be something generic like, “I believe something wonderful is going to happen to me today.” It could be something spiritual like, “This is the day which the Lord hath made. I shall rejoice and be glad in it.”
It could be whatever you want, but don’t wake up and go, “I’ll let the dog, my spouse, the radio, or whatever social media dictate what the first thought is.” Decide that in advance. Protect yourself on an ongoing basis with what we call positive mental nutrition. That is putting wholesome, inspiring, motivating, and educational ideas into your mind on a regular basis. That’s particularly finding a resource, whether it is The 4:8 Principle, some other book, a podcast you love, and repeated ingestion. If we believe that having grilled chicken broccoli is a decent meal with some olive oil, then you don’t have that once.
I read things over and over again and I listen to the same book. There’s a book I was listening to. I’m probably on my 17th or 18th listen to it. It’s a random book, but it’s about taking action and overcoming resistance. I will sometimes go back and listen to some of my own books. I have my favorites. I have podcasts. Our clients are required to tell us each week what are they going to listen to, what are they going to read, what are they going to surf, and how much TV they have planned.
We’re not telling them what they should watch or not watch. We’re saying, “Have a plan. Don’t turn on Netflix, flip through it, and then all of a sudden, three hours have gone by.” Most people that would have any interest in being proactive at all or growth, they would catch on that’s a method to slow down being reactive or random. You can watch three hours of Netflix if you want but plan it. Have a cheat meal if you want, but plan it.
There’s a great matchup between what we ingest physically and what we ingest mentally. I don’t think you can watch the news every night and maintain the joy at the level that our Creator wants it. Politics, I don’t love it, but I love debating and discussing. I have some strong convictions on what I think is right and wrong. Politics is the fight for what a nation or a community values.
I like it from that standpoint, but I can’t take it in too much. I have to budget it and not exceed the budget. I get the minimum effective dose, if you will, of current affairs so I can know what to pray about, I can be well-informed, and I can stand up for what I believe in, but not too much. That then overwhelms my system and could start to make me cynical where I am seeing everything through that lens, which we have, unfortunately, very little control over.
I love what you said about re-reading or retaking the information. Many times, we get in that mode of we listen to something and we can’t listen to that again because we already have. We’re like, “Let’s listen to something new. Let’s read 60 books in a year.” Most CEOs say, “I read all these books.” I love what you said about your seventeenth time reading that book. It is getting that habit. If I have a book that transformed my mind, I want to read that again and then I’ll get something different. It is like the Bible. You read it again and again.
That makes me think of something. There are two benefits to positive mental nutrition. One is the information. It is like, “I learned something new that I didn’t know.” The bigger one is it changes your mindset. Let’s take a book on marriage, Love and Respect by Emerson Eggerichs. There’s a shorter version that is like a devotional. It’s called The Love and Respect Experience. It’s the better of the two because it’s really easy to read.
Let’s imagine that you had mastered all of the 50 or 52 chapters of this book. You knew it in and out. You could teach a Love and Respect course. It would still be valuable to you to listen to that book or read a few chapters before you went home in the evening or on your way home if you were listening to it in the car. Do you think you would be a more kind, caring, and connected husband or wife if you listened to a marriage podcast on the way home? Of course but do you have to learn something new to be better? No. You have to have those impressions. It is the same thing with what if you listen to a fitness and health podcast on the way home.
You’re far more likely to make better food choices. There’s the information, which is more intellectual, and then there’s the consciousness. In other words, “I’m very mindful of what I’m saying to my wife. I’m conscious about how I’m interacting with my kids. I am aware that I’m eating because I’m bored, not because I’m needing calories,” that kind of thing.
That’s awesome. Thank you so much again. You have the book, The 4:8 Principle. Make sure you check that out to seek a joy-filled life. You also have this program. I want to hit on that again. It’s called the SuperFOCUS program. You have done a lot of coaching. You have put that into an online series as well. Can you tell our audience about that?
The SuperFOCUS program is an online coaching program for Christian leaders and entrepreneurs. It’s a process. It addresses a little bit of what we talked about that people jump around to their resources for goal setting, time management, problem-solving, and mental discipline. We have become a one-stop shop. In other words, if you trust us and you like our track record and where we’re coming from philosophically, then you can join SuperFOCUS.
Month after month, we will expose you sequentially to a thought-out curriculum of courses in order to stay focused. We then teach you a process for how to run your mornings, evenings, and weeks, those three things. It is 5 minutes in the morning, 5 minutes at night, and 10 minutes at the end of the week. There’s that process.
Once a month, we do something like this where we’re on live. We coach everybody by looking backward and saying, “What worked well in the last month and what didn’t? What are we going to change?” I ask a bunch of questions and answer everybody’s questions. I do a little bit of teaching, but it is live coaching. That’s different than a book. The book still gets you the information, let’s say, but the coaching and SuperFOCUS get you immersed. It gets you into action. It gets you to take ownership of what you’re trying to do in your life.
We come alongside people, particularly those that are independent contractors, entrepreneurs, and small business owners, who need that outside presence because they’re at the top of the pack. They need somebody that’ll hold them accountable and push them to go beyond where they’ve previously gone as a spouse or a parent in their fitness, their faith, and especially, finances. The key point is we want to take people to the next level financially without having them screw up their faith, family, and health. That’s our mission overall but it’s the driving force behind the SuperFOCUS program as well.
They can get that on your website, right? TommyNewberry.com?
That’s right. The books are available at Amazon or any other place where good books are sold.
That sounds good. Make sure you check out TommyNewberry.com for the course. You can get the books there as well or on Amazon. Thanks so much, Tommy, for being on the show. I appreciate you. You have given so much great wisdom. We have to go and execute, right?
That’s right. That’s the easy part, I wish. Thank you, Brett.
Thanks.
